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Let's Go Downtown and Watch the Failparade!
illyria
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Oh, Elizabeth Moon! How could you write a post like that knowing it was bound raise a stink? The only answer is malice. Good citizens don't do that sort of thing, you know.

Honestly, though I know ours is a small community and in the larger scheme we are not terribly important, I am continually embarrassed every time someone raises a rock and exposes how much prejudice is still crawling around at the bottom of the SFF world. I want us, whose job it is to chronicle the future and a wealth of alternatives to the here and now, to be better than this. Why are we not better than this? How can people who make it their business to imagine and empathize with the truly alien offer such meager treatment to other humans?


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I'm thinking specifically of the comments where people are trying to get her removed as the guest of honor at an SFF convention. Because apparently only people of certain political beliefs are allowed to speak at SFF conventions?

Also, I've been reading her journal for years, and she is constantly speaking out against bigotry, intolerance, and social injustice. I think she deserves to be cut some slack.

We're also talking about a very specific SFF convention that has a stated political agenda, which her post goes directly against.


Oh well then, the fact that she "constantly speaks out against

(Anonymous)
bigotry, intolerance, and social injustice" TOTALLY excuses her from donning same in her post and she should be protected from any dissenting backlash.

/sarcasm, etc.

I don't necessarily agree with those wanting her removed as a guest of honor b/c of her post but "cutting her some slack?" Really? I'm sure she is aware that her opinions, which are put out there on an public sort of forum, could have push back, from either side of the discussion.

Hrm. Did not mean to post anonymous

I stand behind my comment above.

Re: Hrm. Did not mean to post anonymous

I'm finding the attacks on her very mean-spirited and distasteful.

I find her not very cleverly veiled

prejudicial attitudes mean-spirited and distasteful. Not to mention rather callous and backwards. So I guess it all breaks even then, right? Tit for tat and all that?

Re: Hrm. Did not mean to post anonymous

I think her attacks on fellow citizens are far more mean spirited and distasteful than people attempting to hold her accountable for those attacks. To borrow a phrase, I don't think you appreciate how much forbearance Elizabeth Moon has already had in this conversation.

I didn't see those posts--all I saw in that regard was one or two people saying they were reconsidering attending WisCon themselves because she's the GoH. I'd not be in favor of actually trying to get her removed on the basis of this post, even though I found it un-American, bigoted and seriously wrong-headed--and her responses clueless in the extreme.

I've never attended a Wiscon, and mostly know this through rather lackadaisically following the events of Racefail but a) they're explicitly a feminist convention that doesn't shy away from politics b) my understanding is that after the events of Racefail the other year, they've been trying harder to make fen of color more welcome. In light of that context, I don't particularly find possibly removing an author as a GoH for writing a racist screed to be a terribly intolerant thing to do. Elizabeth Moon might be a fine and praiseworthy person in other areas, but that doesn't make her post any less bigoted and awful.

Also, I've been reading her journal for years, and she is constantly speaking out against bigotry, intolerance, and social injustice. I think she deserves to be cut some slack.

A lot of people *are* cutting her some slack, in that they are being polite and reasonable about pointing out to her where she has made some incorrect assumptions (for example that all Muslims are immigrants) as well as some hurtful and offensive statements, and imploring her to think and reexamine her words.

Her past speaking out may mean she deserves to be engaged in conversation about those things rather than just dismissed or yelled at, and that's what a lot of people are trying to do. It DOES NOT mean that what she said isn't hurtful, offensive, or incorrect. It does not mean that she doesn't deserve criticism for the offensive things she said.

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What I'm saying is, if someone is well known not to be a bigot in general, maybe instead of having a knee-jerk reaction, you should consider that their comments might come from somewhere other than bigotry.

Here's the funny thing about that:

I really don't care.

I could not care less about where her comments are coming from. I couldn't care less about her history of being anti-bigotry. I don't care that she's not "known to be a bigot in general-" what, she doesn't ride around with a white hood? Big freaking deal- or that this may very well be a one time thing. It doesn't matter.

Say I bought a gun right now, went out, and shot somebody. I've never shot anyone before. Hell, I've never held a gun before. But none of that would negate the consequences of that shooting. The person I shot would still have a bullet in them. I would still be culpable for assault, possibly murder. And with good reason.

Intent is not magic. Intent is not a get-out-of-jail-free card from being called on your shitty behaviour. Intent does not protect you from consequences. No matter what she may or may not have done in the past or will do in the future, the emotional wounds from what she's done now will still exist. You can't erase that.

The problem with that argument is that shooting someone with a gun is absolutely "shitty behavior," while writing a complex, thoughtful post about a complex issue is not. Even if you disagree with the post.

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