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My Impression of Dollhouse
Me: Have you got anything without rape?

Joss Whedon: Well, there's rape, intrigue, shirtless Helo and rape, that's not got much rape in it.

Me: I don't want ANY rape!

FOX: Why can't she have intrigue, rape and wooden dialogue?

Me: THAT'S got rape in it!

FOX: Hasn't got as much rape in it as rape, intrigue, shirtless Helo and rape, has it? 

Me: Could you do the intrigue, rape, and Amy Acker without the rape then?

Joss Whedon: Urgghh! (Grrr, Argh)

Me: What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like rape!

Dollhouse Writing Staff: Lovely rape! Wonderful rape!

FOX: Shut up! Bloody writers! You can't have intrigue, one-expression acting, rape and turgid plots without the rape.

Me:I don't like rape!

FOX: Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your rape. I love it. I'm having rape rape rape rape rape rape rape misogyny rape rape rape and rape! I call it "Series Finale"!

I feel pretty happy with my decision to Just Say No here.

Great glory, Monty Python parody...with Fox, and with rape.

I declare this post to be ten pounds of win in a five-pound bag. (Although you do point out a few reasons why I really don't watch TV for entertainment anymore. :P)


But no, really, he's just doing Edgy Social Commentary on rape, not glorifying it, honest!

I felt that way about the first few episodes but *tiny voice* I kind of like the show because I think they are showing how evil it is to treat people like objects *scurries off*

I'm not sure they really are. And what an acceptable arc to me could possibly be. And maybe none of that would matter if it were well written and well acted, but...

I'm really enjoying the show, but you speak the truth.

Wow. If anything was going to put this on my "Avoid Like the Plague" list...

Trying to give it a chance...as with other posters, looking for the larger social commentary. But this episode last week had even my husband saying, "there is something really wrong with having sex with somebody that's not really there and not in control and can't give consent."
Because thus far, we've had a LOT of that, especially in Friday's episode- where it involved like all the main characters.
I'd like to see that there is a larger point behind all of this, but I am not entirely certain that there will be. Joss lost so much control of the series and Fox is half-assing it...and I think between the two of them, what point there was behind all of this has been muddied so far as to have been completely lost and we're left with really pretty rape.
Stupid mainstream television.

This alone made me wonder why JW was giving Fox another chance. He got raped by Fox once and after the bleeding stopped, decided "sure, I'll have another go!". Mine is an incomplete rant, as I am Cable-less and have seen all of 2 episodes. Was much more interested in the BSG finale...

Well, it's a good thing I don't watch much tv anyway. I'm with you on the rape. It happens in life, but that doesn't make it necessary in story.

It's a great mystery to me how Whedon ever got feminist cred.

Zoe, River Tam, Buffy... it's pretty easy getting feminist cred, just write female characters who don't take any sh*t and kick ass and people will give you it. Any strong female lead will do, since there's so damn few of them!

Edited at 2009-04-11 10:49 pm (UTC)

Joss Whedon: I'm more of the love, rape, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you rape and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you rape and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the rape. Rape is compulsory. They're all rape, you see.

Is that what people want?

Joss Whedon: It's what we do.

Damn you beat me to it. That was the immediate thought I had when reading the above post, and I was just about to start in... I salute you for your excellent taste in material.

Well, it's a bloody good thing you didn't order the side of Terminator, The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

*blinks* Why so? I find it one of the more positive shows on TV - among various other reasons, it's one of not very many modern geeky actions shows where white men are more likely to be the victims of violence, instead of the all too common depictions of women & people of color as victims.

SO you are saying..... wait.... um.... NO RAPE?????

And this'll hit metaquotes when?

(I'm not a member, but c'mon! Someone here has to be!)

catvalente, may someone post this?